Cowboy, OK, that was probably tasteless, but no sicker than the vid of a Muslim woman being hanged, which DB posted recently.

If it helps, I watched my little girl die in my wife’s arms.

Not recommended for public viewing.

can we stay on the subject please and not let a pretty good discussion go the way of a slanging match.

back on topic please. Oh and all of you, BEHAVE.

I think the MCCann’s are pretty weird people and maybe they stayed in Portugal all this time as they still had to get rid of some evidence or stayed their to divert the police’s attention when needed.

But, I also find it incredible that the Portuguese police all of a sudden find blood drops on the walls and others stuff which clearly could have been found months ago too. Where did it come from?

Washing you missing childs favorite cuddly toy is not something a mother would do, I agree with that, my aunt lost her daughter over 25 years ago and never once cleaned certain things that belonged to her daughter.

If they are guilty it is not only Maddy that is the victim. Us the general public and especially kids that go missing after Maddy will feel the force of that. The public and the media will be less inclined to go all out to find another missing person as they might be had again.

Sorry, Willy; I’ll behave. It’s an emotive topic. Apologies to anyone I’ve upset.

203 Views, yet only 10 poll replies.

Strange.  Do people just not have opinions or do they not know how to vote or perhaps they live in a box and don’t watch the news?

Nobody here is privy to all the evidence collected by the keystone Portugese police. Neither has anyone here witnessed the events so we’re not in a position to judge guilt or innocence on anybody.

That said, I can’t help thinking that Kate McCann is a bit of a MILF. They don’t live too far from me either.

whackaday, STOP FUCKING JOKING, it makes people wet their knickers and cry.

Willy Wanka - 12 September 2007 12:25 AM

But, I also find it incredible that the Portuguese police all of a sudden find blood drops on the walls and others stuff which clearly could have been found months ago too. Where did it come from?

From The Times Online:

Kate and Gerry McCann became suspects in the death of their daughter at the end of last month, as Portuguese police began receiving the results of tests on evidence collected during a review of their investigation.
Tests are continuing on a mass of material gathered at the Ocean Club resort from where Madeleine disappeared, other properties in the area and vehicles used by the couple and other people connected with the case.
Experts at the headquarters of the Forensic Science Service (FSS) in Birmingham, which is carrying out the tests on behalf of the Portuguese authorities, believe they have already discovered significant new evidence.

Why has it taken so long to find the evidence that could implicate Kate and Gerry McCann?
The material was only collected at the end of July and early August in a review of the investigation carried out by Portuguese detectives with the help of British police and two sniffer dogs. Many of the samples are very small, containing just a few cells, while others are of poor quality because of damage by cleaning or simply the passing of time.
A full report of the findings will not be ready for weeks, but many results have already been passed to the Portuguese authorities.

What evidence were police looking for?
Detectives are searching for any evidence that proves Madeleine is dead or contradicts the accounts of Mr and Mrs McCann and other witnesses.

What is the most important new evidence?
It appears the Forensic Science Service believes it has discovered compelling new evidence, possibly from more than one source. Portuguese detectives told Mrs McCann repeatedly that they found traces of Madeleine’s blood in a Renault Scenic hired three weeks after she disappeared, suggesting that the missing girl’s parents used the vehicle to carry her body. It is possible to tell if the blood came from a living person or from a corpse, and even the time of death. However, some reports suggest that the quality of the blood sample was too poor to confirm the origin while others have denied any blood was found in the vehicle and claim it was other “bodily fluids”. Unless a body had been placed in a freezer, it would have badly decomposed during the warm weather; leaving a mass of traces invisible to the human eye.

Does any trace of Madeleine in the hire car prove she was killed?
No. Mr and Mrs McCann hired the car to buy new clothes in the town of Portimão a day before they flew to Rome to see Pope Benedict XVI. They then used it regularly for family outings and to collect friends and relatives from Faro airport. They continued using the car until shortly before flying home yesterday. Kate and Gerry and their two-year-old twins would have often carried in the car items used by Madeleine. These items could easily certainly carry Madeleine’s hair and minute traces of skin, dried blood, saliva and vomit. The same could be said of the holiday apartments used by the McCanns and their friends in the Ocean Club resort. However, if the blood came from Madeleine’s corpse the only other highly unlikely explanation would be that a previous hirer had moved the body.

One report suggested yesterday that Madeleine’s DNA had been found on the floor of the McCanns holiday apartment, but because of degredation it was based on an incomplete picture, with only 15 of the 20 genetic markers usually used for such analysis.

What about the discoveries of the “cadaver” sniffer dog?
Mr and Mrs McCann were shown a police video of a sniffer dog used to find corpses “going crazy” when it approached the hire car. Reports also claim that is discovered the scent on the vehicle’s key fob. Mrs McCann is reported to have explained that in her work as locum GP she came into contact with six corpses in the weeks leading up to Algarve holiday.
This seems a high number for a locum GP working just a couple of days a week but would be easy to check against surgery records.
The crucial difficulty with the sniffer dog “evidence” is that it cannot distinguish between corpses. This type of dog is trained to find bodies, not identify where dead bodies have been. Crucially, they can become excited by other scents.

Any evidence of Madeleine’s death on Cuddle Cat?
The cadaver dog is alleged to have become excited when shown Madeleine’s favourite soft pink toy, called Cuddle Cat. The cat had become poignant symbol of a mother’s loss as Kate McCann carried it with her at all time from the night of Madeleine’s disappearance.
She washed it four days after the police tests, claiming it had become dirty. The toy was potentially crucial evidence and should have been seized by police very early in the investigation.

The rest of the story:

What evidence can be found in Mrs McCann’s Bible?
Mrs McCann, a devout Roman Catholic, claims that police told her that a crumpled page in her Bible was evidence that she was involved in the death of her daughter. The page contained a passage from Samuel II, chapter 12, verses 15-19, which recalls how man’s child is stricken with illness after he “scorns” the Lord.
The man fasts for seven days, refusing to get up off the ground, to try to gain redemption — but eventually his child dies. Mrs McCann claims that detectives told her that damage to the page proved she had been reading it.

Why are the McCanns suspects in their daughter’s killing?
Portuguese police refuse to say why the couple have been made official suspects. Under Portuguese law police can not question someone as if they had committed a crime unless they are a “suspect”. It could simply be that police wanted to ask the couple about the evidence they had collected, and that the seriousness of the process has been misunderstood and exaggerated by cultural and language differences. The McCanns believed that they were about to be charged with Madeleine’s death, but it does not appear police disclosed any crucial evidence to them.

Cheers,
SD

This is all soooo exciting.  But if it turns out that they did do it - they will be hated internationally more than probably any other person that has ever lived!!!

Even here, the story gets tons of coverage!

Spanked you need to seriously think before you post…

Maddy is presumed dead, there is no conclusive evidence that she is dead…

b6

b6ndit, how likely is it that she’s still alive? Not very.

All right, I’ve pushed a few peoples’ buttons over this, and apologised for doing so but maybe I’ve thought more seriously about my posts than you imagine.

I feel for you about your child, and i’d never wish that upon anyone ever.  But i cant see why you would pretend to be a child the whole world is looking for..

Just think how much of a bellend this has made you look.

The judge has just been handed the official documents which is 4000 pages long.. lets hope that the little girl is returned safe and well. 

If they did kill her, my only questions would be.. why would you?

I’m shocked I’m only the 2nd person to vote ‘no’!

I can’t help thinking that the police should be looking for this girl still, rather than looking for evidence that she’s dead.

I didn’t know the story about the toy being washed and admit that is very odd… but reading the information posted by Sea Dog, maybe she wanted to wash it to remove the memory that it has been taken away and had tests on it!

Anyway, none of us really know, do we?

If Kate McCann was a single mother who had scraped together enough money to take her children to Costa Del Sol and one was abducted/murdered then what do you think would be the media response ?  The McCanns are White, educated, professional, rich and well connected. Madeline is “lucky” in that there are numerous photos available showing a cute girl with big blue eyes. What if she was Black or Asian ? Do you think that the British media would have given a fuck ? Of course they wouldn’t.

The bottom line is that children are very rarely abducted/abused/murdered by complete strangers. The majority are done in by a close family member. If this had happened in Skegness then the first suspects would have been the parents or one of their friends.

Spanked, I love your post 49. Fucking brilliant and funny. The reaction to it amply demonstrates the double standards of some people.

I’ll make a prediction. I don’t know if Gerry and/or Kate are guilty or innocent. I’m fucking sick and tired of hearing and seeing them. They’ve created a global “brand McCann” and are well advised by their various media people. They’re lucky that they have these contacts. It’s tragic that a young girl disappears, but shit happens. How many people who are traumatised by it and are crying into their beer take the time to think about other kids in the world who get fucked up on a daily basis ? Anyway, my prediction is this : If they end up getting charged then the media will turn against them and the floodgates will open. The media is fickle. This “innocent”, “God fearing”, “devout”, “loving” couple will be exposed with a string of sex stories, photos and videos. They are built up to be knocked down. That’s how it goes.

Finally, here’s a thought. Willy has shown various photos and videos over the last few years. Recently, the young chap posted a video of some murdered and chopped up kid. Personally, after reading the comments, I decided not to view it. However, what if the body of this young girl is found and photos are taken and make their way onto the internet. Would Willy show them on TC ? If not then why not ? Would you guys look at them ?

Cowboy! - 12 September 2007 09:03 PM

I feel for you about your child, and i’d never wish that upon anyone ever.  But i cant see why you would pretend to be a child the whole world is looking for..

Just think how much of a bellend this has made you look.

The judge has just been handed the official documents which is 4000 pages long.. lets hope that the little girl is returned safe and well. 

If they did kill her, my only questions would be.. why would you?

Cowboy, have a look at http://www.missingkids.co.uk 77,000 kids disappear every year in the UK alone and many are never found. Anyone give a shit about them? Anyone lend their parents private jets? Does the sodding pope invite their parents round for tea and biscuits? Are the childrens’ pictures plastered all over the front pages every day? No.

Do I look like a bellend for responding to Humper’s question the way I did? Possibly.

Hope all you like that the little girl is returned safe and well, but I confidently predict that it won’t happen.

Nobody knows if the McCanns killed Madeleine, nor does anyone know why they might have done so although there’s plenty of speculation in the media. Maybe when the Portuguese have taken apart all their new roads and buildings with pneumatic drills, we’ll find out the truth, but don’t hold your breath.

That may sound cruel and heartless but I’m afraid that’s the way the world works. Even if the McCanns are guilty, I feel sorry for them and their remaining children; their lives are fucked.